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Tab
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:01 pm    Post subject: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

I have been working on a graphic to show which state require pedals and which ones don't. The green states are the ones that don't require pedals, but do have some restricions on speed and horsepower. The blue state are the pedal states. The orange states are state that only require 50cc engines and have no power limits. IF I HAVE MADE ANY MISTAKES ON ANY STATE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

Cool chart!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:50 pm    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

Damn it! Where's Hawaii? LOL We'd be green, snails are called mopeds here and we share the same license.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:54 pm    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

Yeah, I need to add Hawaii and Alaska.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

A moped is defined in Section 320.01(28), Florida Statutes, as any vehicle with pedals to permit propulsion by human power, having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels, with a motor rated not in excess of 2-brake horsepower and not capable of propelling the vehicle at a speed greater than 30 miles per hour on level ground, and with a power-drive system that functions directly or automatically without clutching or shifting gears by the operator after the drive system is engaged. If an internal combustion engine is used, the displacement may not exceed 50 cubic centimeters.

Just thought I would look since I will be moving there soon. Florida requires pedals... Come to think of it, A lot like California Laws. Reference can be found here: http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/handbooks/Motorcycles/intro.html

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:28 am    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

http://casey.hsmv.state.fl.us/intranet/ddl/motorcycles/scooterpeds.cfm

Scooters and Mopeds
Scooters are usually two-wheel motorcycle-type motor vehicles 50 cc or less or 2 brake horsepower or less gas engines that have automatic transmissions. Mopeds also have 50 cc or less engines with two wheels, but have pedals and may be operated solely by human power.
In order to legally operate scooters, mopeds, and other 2-3 wheel small engine motor vehicles, at least a Class E driver license and tag/registration are required.
Persons 16 and older may operate a moped or ride as a passenger without a helmet. Persons under 16 may not operate a moped, but may ride as a passenger with protective headgear securely fastened upon their head.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:36 am    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

i guess all of canada would be green, too?

not sure about mexico, though.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

Quebec I believe is in the noped classification , the rest of Canada is peddles I believe.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

Benny,

Does that mean that scooters and mopeds are legally classified as the same (for licensing)?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

ohio's laws concerning scooters and mini motorcycles

http://www.dmv.org/index.php?source=overture&OVRAW=bmv&OVKEY=bmv&OVMTC=standard

ohio's laws concerning mopedsand the list of accepted mopeds.

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/MopedInf.html
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

Tab wrote:
Benny,

Does that mean that scooters and mopeds are legally classified as the same (for licensing)?


The DMV said all bikes get a MC tag now. Nowhere on the registation does it say what the bike is. It just has the make, year, and vin number.
Now you have to explain to the cops what it is, but they don't bother you if your riding safe. All mopeds, nopeds, and scooters are the same under Florida law. One guy sold his scooter because he got caught with no drivers license.
I seen 2 scooters and a moped yesterday and today. One of the scooters doesn't have working head lights. All were riding on a 55mph road.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:54 am    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/analyses126/h0018-i-126.pdf

Other states are dropping the pedal law too. (Ohio)
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Joseph G. Aninao Legislative Service Commission
H.B 18
126th General Assembly
(As Introduced)
Reps. Miller, Skindell, Perry, Allen Barrett, Brown, Beatty
BILL SUMMARY
· Defines "motorized scooter" to mean every motor vehicle, other than a
tractor, that is designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact
with the ground; has no pedals and is not capable of being pedaled; has
an engine or motor that is capable of propelling the vehicle at a speed not
greater than 25 miles per hour on a level surface; is designed or intended
by its manufacturer to be utilized primarily as a recreational or pleasure vehicle or a vehicle for traveling short distances

The bill specifically excepts a kind of powered scooter, called a "motorized
scooter," from the definition of motor vehicle and permits it to be operated in the
same manner and in the same locations as motorized bicycles, commonly known
as "mopeds."

Operation of motorized scooters on the public streets
The bill amends the Revised Code section that governs the operation of
mopeds to make these provisions applicable to the operation of motorized
scooters, thereby permitting motorized scooters to be operated in the same manner
and in the same locations as mopeds (R.C. 4511.521).
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:47 pm    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

sounds like it has to be voted on yet. i hope it fails.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:28 pm    Post subject: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

i think that instead of posting only a small edited version of this bill, the whole thing should be postedand read more closely. especiaslly the part where it states that a scooter cannot exceeda speed of 25 mph on flat level surfaces.. and the date. this bill was proposed on jan 8th of this year. it never was passed. in my opinion, it reads that nopeds are considered mopeds since they are included on the new list that i posted earlier and they were not there last year.


Joseph G. Aninao Legislative Service Commission
H.B 18
126th General Assembly
(As Introduced)
Reps. Miller, Skindell, Perry, Allen Barrett, Brown, Beatty
BILL SUMMARY
· Defines "motorized scooter" to mean every motor vehicle, other than a
tractor, that is designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact
with the ground; has no pedals and is not capable of being pedaled; has
an engine or motor that is capable of propelling the vehicle at a speed not
greater than 25 miles per hour on a level surface; is designed or intended
by its manufacturer to be utilized primarily as a recreational or pleasure
vehicle or a vehicle for traveling short distances; and is neither designed
nor intended by its manufacturer to be utilized primarily as an assistive
device to increase, maintain, or improve the mobility of a physically
impaired person.
· Permits motorized scooters to be operated in the same manner and in the
same locations as motorized bicycles (mopeds): upon a highway or any
public or private property used by the public for purposes of vehicular
travel or parking.
· Establishes a motorized scooter registration fee and a motorized scooter
license fee and sets the fees at $10 and $2.50 respectively, the same as for
mopeds.
BACKGROUND
Motorized scooters, generally
A powered scooter is a lightweight metal scooter equipped with either a
small gasoline engine or a small electric motor. Some powered scooters have just
a motor or engine and a handbrake, while some of the more expensive versions are
also equipped with a seat, brakes, and lights.
Legislative Service Commission -2- H.B. 18
CONTENT AND OPERATION
Powered scooters as "motor vehicles" and "motorcycles"
"Motor vehicle" is defined in current law as "any vehicle . . . that is
propelled or drawn by power other than muscular power or power collected from
overhead electric trolley wires . . . ." (R.C. 4501.01(B).)
A motorcycle is defined in the motor vehicle traffic law definition section
(R.C. 4511.01) as
every motor vehicle, other than a tractor, having a
saddle for the use of the operator and designed to
travel on not more than three wheels in contact with
the ground, including, but not limited to, motor
vehicles known as "motor-driven cycle," "motor
scooter," or "motorcycle" without regard to weight or
brake horsepower. (R.C. 4511.01(C).)
All powered scooters meet the general motor vehicle law definition of
"motor vehicle," while many of the more expensive scooters also meet the motor
vehicle traffic law definition of "motorcycle." Therefore, none of these scooters
can be operated on the public streets without meeting the requirements generally
applicable to motor vehicles, while those scooters that also meet the definition of
motorcycle are also subject to the provisions governing the operation of
motorcycles. Most of these scooters do not meet many of the motor vehicle
requirements and, accordingly, cannot be operated on public streets. For example,
many are not equipped with turn signals.
Regulation of motorized scooters
The bill specifically excepts a kind of powered scooter, called a "motorized
scooter," from the definition of motor vehicle and permits it to be operated in the
same manner and in the same locations as motorized bicycles, commonly known
as "mopeds." All other motorized scooters will still generally be prohibited from
being operated on the public streets.
The bill defines the term "motorized bicycle" in the general motor vehicle
law definition section and in the motor vehicle traffic law definition section as
follows:
"Motorized scooter" means every motor vehicle,
other than a tractor, that has all of the following
characteristics:
Legislative Service Commission -3- H.B. 18
(1) It is designed to travel on not more than three
wheels in contact with the ground.
(2) It has no pedals and is not capable of being
pedaled.
(3) It has an engine or motor that is capable of
propelling the vehicle at a speed not greater than 25
miles per hour on a level surface.
(4) It is designed or intended by its manufacturer to
be utilized primarily as a recreational or pleasure
vehicle or a vehicle for traveling short distances.
(5) It is neither designed nor intended by its
manufacturer to be utilized primarily as an assistive
device to increase, maintain, or improve the mobility
of an individual with a disability or other physical
condition that limits or impairs the individual's ability
to walk.
"Motorized scooter" does not include an electric
personal assistive mobility device.1
The bill also amends the definition of "motorcycle" in the motor vehicle
traffic law definition section to provide specifically that that term does not include
a motorized scooter (R.C. 4511.01(C)).
Operation of motorized scooters on the public streets
The bill amends the Revised Code section that governs the operation of
mopeds to make these provisions applicable to the operation of motorized
scooters, thereby permitting motorized scooters to be operated in the same manner
and in the same locations as mopeds (R.C. 4511.521). These provisions are as
follows:
(1) The bill prohibits any person from operating a motorized scooter upon
a highway or any public or private property used by the public for purposes of
vehicular travel or parking, unless all of the following conditions are met:
1 R.C. 4501.01(VV) and 4511.01(III). The "electric personal assistive mobility device" is
commonly known by its trade name of "Segway."
Legislative Service Commission -4- H.B. 18
(a) The person is 14 or 15 years old and holds a valid probationary
motorized scooter license, or the person is at least 16 years old and holds either a
valid driver's or commercial driver's license or a valid motorized scooter license.
If a person who is at least 16 years old and has a valid probationary motorized
scooter license desires a motorized scooter license, that person is not required to
comply with any testing requirement in order to be issued the motorized scooter
license. If a person who is at least 16 years old and does not possess a
probationary motorized scooter license or a driver's or commercial driver's license
wishes to be issued a motorized scooter license, the person must pass the
motorized scooter test before the license will be issued.
(b) The motorized scooter is equipped in accordance with rules adopted by
the Director of Public Safety and is in proper working order;
(c) The person, if less than 18 years of age, is wearing a protective helmet
on the head with the chin strap properly fastened and the motorized scooter is
equipped with a rear-view mirror.
(d) The person operates the motorized scooter when practicable within
three feet of the right edge of the roadway, obeying all traffic rules applicable to
vehicles.
(2) Under the bill, the Director, in accordance with the Administrative
Procedure Act, is required to adopt rules governing protective helmets, motorized
scooter equipment, and the testing and qualifications of persons who do not hold a
valid driver's or commercial driver's license. As near as practicable, the test must
be the same as the examination that is required for a motorcycle operator's
endorsement, and also must require the operator to give an actual demonstration of
the operator's ability to operate and control a motorized scooter by driving one
under the supervision of an examining officer.
(3) Every motorized scooter license expires on the birthday of the applicant
in the fourth year after the date it is issued, but in no case is a motorized scooter
license valid for a period longer than four years.
(4) The bill prohibits any person who operates a motorized scooter from
carrying another person on it.
(5) The required protective helmet and rear-view mirror must conform to
the rules adopted by the Director.
(6) Each probationary motorized scooter license and motorized scooter
license must be laminated with a transparent plastic material.
Legislative Service Commission -5- H.B. 18
(7) Whoever violates above item (1), (4), or (5) is guilty of a minor
misdemeanor, which is punishable by a fine of not more than $150.
Motorized scooter registration tax and motorized scooter license fee
The bill sets the motorized scooter registration tax at $10 and the motorized
scooter operating license fee at $2.50, the same as for moped registrations and
moped licenses (R.C. 4503.04(A)(1) and 4503.23(D)).
Corresponding addition of the term "motorized scooter" in Revised Code
sections that refer to "motorized bicycle"
The term "motorized bicycle" currently appears in a number of Revised
Code sections for particular purposes. As the bill makes motorized scooters the
same as motorized bicycles for purposes of state law, the term "motorized scooter"
is inserted in these sections after "motorized bicycle." (R.C. 3937.18(A), 4503.01,
4503.04(J), 4503.182, 4503.21(A), 4503.22, 4503.30, 4503.31, 4504.01,
4507.01(A), 4507.01(B), 4507.05(B), 4507.23, 4507.24, 4509.01, 4510.34,
4513.03(A), 4513.20, and 4513.24.)
HISTORY
ACTION DATE JOURNAL ENTRY
Introduced 01-25-05 pp. 82-83
h0018-i-126.doc/kl
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Which states require pedals? Reply with quote

Tab wrote:
Benny,

Does that mean that scooters and mopeds are legally classified as the same (for licensing)?
Tab -

They are licensed the same in NY State.

"Are there any special requirements to operate a limited use motorcycle (moped) in NYS?

The Vehicle and Traffic Law defines a limited use motorcycleas "a low-speed vehicle with two or three wheels." Terms frequently used for limited use motorcycles are "mopeds" and "motor scooters."

The requirements to operate a moped are like those for motorcycles. You must have a driver license and you must register a moped to drive it on streets and highways. The exceptions to these requirements are listed in the table below. You can never operate a moped on a sidewalk.

The DMV certifies a moped as a Class A, Class B or Class C limited use motorcycle according to top speed. The manufacturer requests the certification through the DMV Technical Services Bureau. Only a DMV-certified model of limited-use motorcycle can get a registration in NYS. The phone number for the Technical Services Bureau is (518) 474-5282."

No regulations regarding pedals, CC limit, or HP, only top speed.
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